EWJR Portland Cement Wagon

[Jim Goodman]

Hello All,

I found this item on ebay, although it's a model, what I'd like to know is, was it actually based on the real thing? As you can see it has the initials EWJR and return empty to Ettington, which all fits in with the real world.

It was listed as a Carette/Bassett-Lowke model of 1909. Carette were a German firm based in Nuremburg and did make coaches for Bassett-Lowke and, although they probably took the date of 1909 from the plate on the model, it also fits in on the time line.

For your info it was sold for £107!

[Steve Johns]

Hi Jim,

It's understood that Bassett-Lowke models were fairly accurate representations livery wise.

Steve

[Jim Goodman]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your reply, interesting you should mention that Bassett-Lowke were fairly accurate models. My initial impressions of early model railways were of rather crude locos, carriages and wagons but I have a book on the history of model railways and it speaks very highly of 'Carette and Bassett-Lowke, with some impressive pictures of early models, all, of course, pre-grouping companies.

I suppose the E&WJR was rather local to Bassett-Lowke, hence the model of an unusual wagon. I shall have a go at scratch building one in 0 gauge for my layout.

Jim.

[Steve Johns]

Hi Jim,

I was also thinking of building one in 4mm scalefour to sit behind my ex LNWR DX goods No 7.

Steve

[Jim Goodman]

Hi Steve,

Is your ex LNWR DX in SMJ livery? There is an 0 gauge kit which I keep promising to build. The picture in my avatar is scratch built model of the SMJ's Bayer Peacock 0-6-0 No 14. Here's a picture of the cement wagon from a different angle:-

Jim.

[Steve Johns]

Hi Jim,

The DX is as yet unbuilt as i'm in the process of moving house so everything is packed away at the moment. When built it will be in SMJ livery and i'm intending to build stock to go with it.

I had a look at Warwickshire Railways website run by Mike Musson and there are a number of photos of Greaves wagons. They look like GWR iron mink wagons.

Steve

[Jim Goodman]

Hi Steve,

Same here, just moved back to Leamington, to many things to do before I can work on model railways. Interesting sight, Warwickshire Railways, I look at it a lot, good section on the SMJ.

Jim.

[Steve Johns]

Hi Jim,

I will be moving to Oxhill just south of Kineton into the heart of SMJ country.

Steve

[Mark Reader]

Hi Jim & Steve

Welcome to South Warwickshire. Given that you are clearly keen modellers and that you have moved into the SMJ heartland, once the lockdown is over you would both be welcome to come across to visit us at the Leamington and Warwick Model Railway Society. We are located close to Junction 12 of the M40, Gaydon and have active groups modelling in most gauges including N, OO, P4 and O (as well as a few Bassett-Lowke experts and at least one member based in Oxhill). As you might have spotted from previous posts, we have quite a strong SMJ following at the club with our N gauge group working on a model of Kineton Station, and I have just started work on an N guage model of Burton Dassett. Please feel free to get in touch if you need any further information.

Best wishes

Mark

[Steve Johns]

Hi Mark,

Long time no see. I think the last time we met was at the NEC when you were operating Kineton a couple of years ago. My partner Jenny works at Kineton Manor. I will endeavour to get to the L&WMRS club rooms one day. The problem is, work gets in the way at the moment. Sadly the Oxhill property has fallen through but we have just had an offer accepted on a cottage in Shotteswell so fingers crossed that goes through.

I timed it on the run back home and the club is roughly 15 minutes away....result!

Regards

Steve

[Jim Goodman]

Hi Mark,

We have met before, I've seen the Kineton layout a couple of times, very impressive merg electronics!

I had a model of Blisworth SMJ at the Kettering and District model railway society, you may have seen it once. I have visited the L&WMRS once and fully intended to join, but I've had so much work to do on the house, time has not permitted. Once the lock down is over though, I shall be over.

Steve, sorry to hear about your house purchase falling through, hopefully Shotteswell will work out better.

Regards,

Jim.

[Mark Reader]

Hi Jim & Steve

Apologies for not remembering that we had met before. I meet so many interesting people at exhibitions but I'm totally useless at remembering names; so unless I write it down immediately, I'm at a loss. I'll send you each a link, so we can exchange info once things start to get back to normal.

Progress with the Kineton model has been slow, largely because we have opted to work in finescale. Prior to the lockdown we had started working on point rodding, and you can imagine how intricate that is in N gauge. The lockdown hasn't helped, so its likely that we will continue to have little or no progress for the foreseable future. However, once completed we aim to get it out on view to the public as often as possible.

Regards,

Mark

[Andrew Emmerson]

It's a remarkably accurate model that was photographed by Henry Greenly and written up in the Model Engineer magazine, complete with a dimensioned drawing. He says that it was built originally with dumb buffers. Exactly similar wagons were used at Greaves's larger cement works at Greaves's Siding near Harbury and marked 'Return to Southam Road GWR'. I have a photo of one of these. Greaves also had some more elderly peak-roof cement wagons, built in 1879.

Regards,

Andrew Emmerson.

Steve Johns said:

Hi Jim,

It's understood that Bassett-Lowke models were fairly accurate representations livery wise.

Steve